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Tuesday, January 18, 2005

The Day RIAA Made Contact...

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So it's come to this. At this stage in the game, I didn't expect to see this can of worms spring open just yet, but here we go. (Nah, not an evil lawsuit as you may suspect, especially since I'm RIAA-free)

A few days ago, I was approached by a representative of the band "Buddahead." In retrospect, many of us music 'casters were contacted...
"Here's a great band from an independent label! Here is permission to play their tracks! Here is everything you'll need! Play proudly!"

So I let the lush, melodic, well-produced & wondrous music of Buddahead bend my ear.
Then I decided to start digging. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that Sanctuary Records is not only RIAA, but houses such acts as WuTang Clan, Nancy Sinatra, Neil Young, Anthrax, Morissey, and the fucking New York Dolls!

Immediately I felt my mind go into overdrive. At first, the decision was obvious. With my anti-RIAA stance, of course I would NOT even entertain the idea of giving Buddahead airtime. Then the inner argument followed thusly: Is it fair to discriminate against a terrific, fledgling band who are just getting their feet wet, because they're associated with the RIAA? Is Sanctuary Records one of the big 5 giants? No, and No.

A-ha, but then the entire mission statement of this show came into the forefront. "Look at how much of an anti-RIAA crusader you've become, Jason! And besides, they won't need podcasters, they'll no doubt be on every radio station from Florida to California in about 9 days. Don't play them! Don't take the risk. Keep doing what you're doing. It's working!"

So, my friends, I am in turmoil over this. Buddahead ARE an outstanding, honest, quality band. You SHOULD go buy their album "Crossing the Invisible Line" immediately. But, I am extremely hesitant to play this music on the show. "you're insane" I hear you saying. "This is huge! An RIAA label is encouraging podcasters to safely and legally play their music, and you're saying NO!!!! You imbecile!", I hear you saying...

I'm really interested in what you do have to say about this little snafu. Totally open to any and all comments, negative, positive, pro-RIAA, anti-RIAA. There are some large issues that could spring from this situation, both great and evil.

Should it be all about the music? Should label status matter, providing the band is underground and worthy of your attention?

Sound off...
Sorry for the long post, but this has been really consuming my thoughts today.
You can also leave an audio comment, which would most likely be great material for the next show: 206-350-1795


176 Comments:

  • comment left on audio line. - julien for inoveryourhead.net

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:56 AM  

  • I think if you look at a lot of the labels that are RIAA, you'll find that many of them are like Sanctuary. Just because a label is affiliated with the RIAA does not mean the artists in their catalog are going to get heavy radio play.

    Because of this, I think it would be wise to take a look at the "non-RIAA" phrase. As I have discovered multiple times while using RIAA Radar, there are some pretty small-time bands playing for small RIAA labels.

    Instead of "non-RIAA", why not simply say, "underdog radio" or "underground radio" or "music you won't hear on corporate radio" something like that? I personally think "non-RIAA" is a little strong, given the dozens (hundreds?) of small bands like Buddahead that aren't with a label that is going to dump money into payola.

    Most certainly, we should steer clear of the "big 5" labels for all kinds of reasons.

    By Blogger Adam, at 6:13 AM  

  • Well, thanks for checking up on this Jason! I was about to play them, and now you've got me wondering.

    I guess I'm a hard-ass, but I wouldn't play them. I would (and probably will) email them and say something like "Thanks for contacting me, and I'd love to play the tune... But your label is part of a group that actively discourages this. If you can get me a legal waiver, saying you absolve me of any performance fees, and assume any ASCAP.BMI.RIAA.ABC123.YADA-YADA-YADA fees should they arise, I'd be happy to play your tune. Sorry, but I can't lose my house because your label can't promote you."..

    Sucks though, doesn't it? This guy is doing the right things, creating a buzz, and we (podcasters) all know about the band.. Too bad it's a loaded gun..

    By Blogger Bob, at 2:16 PM  

  • Here's the disturbing part for me...

    "A few days ago, I was approached by a representative of the band 'Buddahead.' In retrospect, many of us music 'casters were contacted...'Here's a great band from an independent label! Here is permission to play their tracks! Here is everything you'll need! Play proudly!'"

    I get the feeling this is an RIAA label trying to take the same saturation approach with podcasting as they would with radio. Only, of course, with podcasting, it doesn't cost them anything.

    I think your initial reaction was right. And yes, it IS fair to discriminate. Bands can choose to be part of the anti-RIAA independent movement or they can become associated with an RIAA label. If they choose the former, they deserve as much podcasting airtime as their talent justifies. If they choose the latter, we'll most likely hear more than enough of them whether they have talent or not.

    - Sam - Tampa, FL

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:23 PM  

  • I say don't play them..

    I just got my Mandy and the Marbles' CD today and I bought that because I heard them on your show.. this is the first CD I have bought since 1998 and I love the CD. When I ordered it I told them where I heard their song (Insomnia Radio Podcast) and I wouldn't have done that if I had not heard it here. I'm also looking at getting estrela's CD and Erica Cashman.

    By Blogger Hellsbellboy, at 5:44 PM  

  • Hellsbellboy: You are fucking AWESOME. I congratulate you for supporting smalltime artists when they need it most, as well as many more reasons than I can name. You rule.

    - julien

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:44 PM  

  • Look when the RIAA starts coming after you, which Sanctuary funds, they aren't going to go, hey it's just a small time podcast and he does a really good job. They are just going to haul your ass into court, if you play a track without a waiver.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:40 AM  

  • Hey they approached me too, I listened, I didn't play them because the music didn't fit my show, I only liked one of their songs 'When It Falls' (?) not because of any RIAA stance...I must admit I didn't check because they were emailing direct, I assumed it's OK.

    Difficult one about the RIAA thing...of course for me it's different, a small RIAA group in the US might not have any 'foreign' representation so actually might be non-BPI or non-MCPS or non-PRS here - I dunno if they have any cross-deals.

    Usually the publishing has to be signed seperately for different foreign soil 'territories' - I do know that.

    It's interesting tho that smaller labels are waking up to podcasting...probably from pressure from the bands. The smaller labels usually are cooler with that kind of underground/online promotion, but same here, small labels can be BPI too...

    The only set of indies I know in the UK that have their own are XL, Beggars Banquet, Domino and Telstar etc. who have formed their own rights-negotiating group; hence that hassle with Apple iTunes when Apple tried to screw them for rights cos they weren't big 5/well 4 now...hence no Franz, White Stripes etc. in Europe on iTunes for several months. They did a deal on US iTunes which meant they found out later they were getting *less* money than say Sony or Universal.

    Of course Apple aint corporate right? :-(

    So the answer is: I don't know. BPI here is a body like the RIAA who 'claims' to speak for the industry but tends to protect the big 5; they don't speak for everyone, the smaller labels or the indies. So maybe ask the people at Sanctuary what their stance is? If you can prove you got permission from then it kind of destroys any future objection to podcasting from the RIAA if their MEMBERS are doing it, they'll have to accept it rather than piss off their members...so it actually might be a *good* thing.

    Tim @ Radio Clash
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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:27 AM  

  • I won't restate my audio comment here, suffice to say that if they approached you and gave you permission, and you liked it, then play it.
    -Deniz
    http://tnppodcast.libsyn.org

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:44 AM  

  • You should be in turmoil. This "representative" of the band is a industry weasel who works for the label. I used to work with him in the industry years ago and he is once again exploiting something (like Podcasting) for his own benefit.
    The fact that he tried to pass off the label he works for as "independent" is a testament to how much of a snake this guy really is. "Play proudly!" LOL... What the hell does he know about pride? Any of you who were contacted by this guy should be fucking furious.
    He's just another one of these aging record exec dinosaurs who doesn't have an original thought of their own (sidebar: he heard about 'casting from someone else who actually cares about it and loves the community within it. this guy was actually tricked as well as he thought this exec was asking him about it for personal reasons) and who's trying to be "in with what the kids are doing." I'm sure he stood up in his weekly marketing meeting with a huge hard on thinking he was the king shit for bringing this idea to the table. And as my friend said "he needs to validate his 250K a year salary somehow."
    So yea you were tricked. But I applaud you for doing your homework, like we all should, to weed out jerks like this.
    Should you judge the band based on this guy? Of course not. Why should the band suffer for his stupidity? Obviously they shouldn't, but I'm sure somewhere down the road they will because of these dumbass execs.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:06 PM  

  • So Jason asked me to chime in on this, as I work in the industry. Some of you know me from podcasttunes, where i get the waivers signed and then send tunes out to podcasters.

    It really shouldn't be about RIAA funded labels, but it would be strange promoting an RIAA label, and then that label uses funds to support the RIAA which in turn uses the funds to go after Podcasters.

    I think its more of the presentation from the label executive who I think unwillingly thinks his artist is indie. To the best of my knowledge, Sanctuary Records is manufactured and distributed by Sony BMG, so I wouldn't say they go thru indie distribution. On the other hand, they aren't owned by Sony BMG. But Warners was recently sold to a group of investors from Time Warner, so in some terms they could be considered indie.

    I guess its really how you the podcaster feels about and how you define indie. Is Astralwerks an indie, even though it's owned by Virgin EMI or Subpop part owned by Warner? Is any label distributed by famed indie distributor Caroline or ADA "indie" when they are owned by EMI and Warners respectively. Its a muddled little mess and I guess it would be up to you to decide what to do.

    feel free to email me if you have thoughts
    marc@podcasttunes.com

    Marc

    By Blogger marcdark, at 4:04 PM  

  • I want to thank everyone for their intelligent posts and thoughtful feedback. This has clearly struck a nerve with more of you than I thought.

    You guys kick ass. thanks for getting involved in the discussion...keep it flowing.

    By Blogger Jason, at 11:27 PM  

  • i heard these guys on another podcast i was checking out, and i wasnt all crazy about them.
    don't play them. stay true to what your show has been about from the beginning. it does suck that by staying RIAA free, you might miss the chance to play a band from a label that is underground status. but dont feel like you aren't giving them the chance to be heard, someone else is i'm sure. there are other podcasts, and other ways of promoting a band that will pick them up and carry them around, don't risk being sued, or more importantly, changing the purpose of your show.
    i think of bands all the time to suggest for you to play, but realize that you probably cant, given the rules. but then i found some bands that you could play, that probably need the airtime more.
    you're doing a great job J: keep it up :)

    -:K

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:53 AM  

  • Are there bands that deserve/need your support more than "Buddahead"? Could the spot they get on your show benefit some other band better? Independance is tricky, once you give it up you may not get it back.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:26 PM  

  • Does it really MATTER? If you've been given permission to use the music free and clear, then I say play it if you like it.

    By being all high-and-mighty, as many podcasters are lately, you only segregate podcasting from a great deal of good music out there.

    The reason for the RIAA-free music in the beginning was to make sure podcasters weren't stepping on the legal rights of those artists who chose to retain traditional copyrights. It wasn't to "punish" them by not inviting them to our party. Frankly, this whole "waaah waaah, the RIAA is EVIL" stuff makes me sick.

    Why shouldn't we welcome RIAA music provided we cover our collective hineys by making sure it's clear to use before we do?

    By Blogger TheFly, at 3:00 AM  

  • The Fly wrote:
    "The reason for the RIAA-free music in the beginning was to make sure podcasters weren't stepping on the legal rights of those artists who chose to retain traditional copyrights. It wasn't to "punish" them by not inviting them to our party."

    Jason replies thusly:
    And there is no reason we should not STILL play non-riaa music in an effort to not step on toes. In the beginning, no one was listening. Now they are. . .

    You certainly have the right to your opinion, and in fact it's welcome. That's the primary reason I posted this. But the bottom line is there are not enough security blankets, waivers, etc in place to support THIS show playing RIAA music, ESPECIALLY when it is being presented as 'independent.'

    To reiterate what I said on the show: Buddahead Rock. You should go buy their CD. But if they have the talent, they will make their own way.

    The RIAA is still not welcome here. Would you not agree that the indies need our help more?

    By Blogger Jason, at 12:00 AM  

  • >>The RIAA is still not welcome here.
    >>Would you not agree that
    >>the indies need our help more?
    Dead on. Use your show for RIAA-free acts. If bands like Buddahead who need the distribution of RIAA supporting companys want the support of podcasters they should release some RIAA-free tracks and promote thos to podcasters. It's not cool to pick and choose which podcasters to grant permission to.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:51 PM  

  • Hey Jason;

    Sorry to come late to the party - I just saw this post.

    I haven't gotten to listening to your most recent couple of 'casts, but I'm going to assume that you didn't play them.

    I think that's the right tack to take. I wouldn't be too worried about the legal aspects if you have this offer in writing (even in an email). The question of "shuld you be playing ANY RIAA music I wil leave up to your conscience and your own understanding of the reasons for your podcast's non-RIAA tradition; no need to comment on that here.

    Here's why I think it's important not to play them. I see the overall goal of podcasting's resistance to play RIAA music to be two-fold:
    1) legal issues
    2) desire to change the culture

    It's that second one that's important - if podcasters continue to resist RIAA's offers (which are going to become more and more appelaing, in my view) then perhaps we can get them to change their slimy, anti-fair-use ativities. And that would be the sweetest victory of all!

    Keep rockin'
    k.

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