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Friday, April 29, 2005

Podshow vs AMP

Today, Adam Curry and Ron Bloom released their "Podshow Strategy Cast." In it, they outlined the basic structure and current staff of Podshow. The cast also had a few distinct quotes I'd like to bring to your attention.

#1:Adam Curry:
"We need a place where that can come together. Where you can find music you can play on your show. Find out what's being played alot, what's hot....."

#2: Ron Bloom:
"Producers aren't banding together to build their own listener base. Everybody talks about a democracy, but to be one, everybody has to come together and work towards a common goal."

They issue a call for an independent music community for artists, bands, and podcasters to unite, that apparently does not exist.

You have GOT to be kidding me. It's interesting: I think I've heard of something along these lines called the Association of Music Podcasting. A group that has banded together quite strongly, with over 20 shows in it's umbrella, all aligned with the same purpose: Promote Independent music. What's also strange is I recall hearing Curry repeatedly praising AMP for what it's doing (DSC 2-18 & DSC 2-25), and he now acts as if the association does not exist.

I need to make it clear to all of you, my awesome listeners, that as the founder of AMP, I take this very personally.
Listen to the music Curry typically plays on his show, and tell me honestly that he is even remotely interested in passionately promoting the indie music scene...

As the Podshow camp develops it's strategy and aligns itself with advertisers, staff, and clever ways to profit off the bands and shows they sign, I'd like to urge all of you to visit www.musicpodcasting.org, join our forum, and take an active role in the FIRST music-podcasting based community. Bands, submit your music to our library and plug your music...Listeners, say whatever is on your mind!

Sorry if this a bit off the beaten path for this blog, but it's very relevant to Insomnia Radio. It's a shame that Podshow is flat out ignoring the existence of AMP.
Thanks for reading my rant. It's much shorter than I'd like it to be, but hopefully the point is clear.

One more thing: Podcast Alley officially sucks. Don't ya just LOVE that Paris Hilton banner, with the footnote: "Another Podshow.com CastBlast"

later gang...

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  • hey Jason,

    I'm with you on this one. I have no idea what Curry and Co. are thinking by not talking about AMP on during their cast, because what you are doing is EXACTLY what he is talking about!

    I can personaly say that AMP has helped me find new artists that there is no way that I would have heard of if AMP did not exist. I can also say that it has helped me realize that all though most (in fact I might even say all) the music that I hear on regular radio and MTV sucks, there IS still great music out there to listen to.

    In short: for what ever it is worth, I'm with you and AMP till it ends or I do.

    Keep up the great work, and take care.

    -Neil Gorman of the comicology podcast!

    By Blogger Shamus McMurphy, at 11:18 PM  

  • thanks Neil, and well said. I appreciate the support...

    And looking forward to helping with your comic casting network as well...

    Hmmm...wait...that must be another example of producers NOT banding together to generate a listener base.

    ;-)

    By Blogger Jason, at 11:28 PM  

  • Disappointing but not surprising. It's always been obvious that Adam was looking for an angle for his next business venture. DSC has become progressively less listenable (at least to me) over the last month as Adam's business ventures have taken precedence over promoting podcasting in general. While I think his enthusiasm for podcasting is genuine, it's more based on generating revenue than the DIY radio tool it's become. And as Jason said, based on the music Adam plays, it's obvious he's more interested in promoting mainstream music than the independent bands that are already squeezed out of over-the-air radio.
    I've got no problem with people wanting to make money off of podcasting. For it to be anything more than a tiny niche player, it's going to require commercial interests getting involved. But I'd much prefer it be people like Jason, who talked about spinning the show into Insomnia Records one day, where the goal is helping indie bands get connected with fans rather than people who are just interested in getting cash from consumers and don't care about the product, format, etc.
    I love podcasting because it has opened a whole new world of music to me that I would never have encountered on the airwaves in my hometown. It would be a shame if Curry, Podcast Alley, etc merged into a governing body that left no room for dissenting, independent voices and ruined that. I'll hope for the best, I guess.
    Some of us knew there was no hope for Adam the day he announced he was recording using Windows technology. :-)

    By Anonymous D. Derek, at 9:04 AM  

  • Jason,

    As a fellow podcaster with thousands of listeners I also listened with interest to the Podshow strat-cast (after waiting until overnight for ipodder to download the file; a very impressive infrastructure for mass podcast downloads). I am with you on your indignation to their "announcements". I find it hard to believe that Yeast Radio and the Daily Download will have advertisers lining up, but I could be wrong… for me, I'm sitting on the sidelines and building my own business myself without the help from these commercial "networks". Viva AMP!
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    By Anonymous Tim Elliott, at 9:10 AM  

  • Well,Well,Well!!!

    You know what I think Jason! As time rolls on I find myself being drawn to AMP even more. The Curry factor makes me pull away from all of this. Not that I was a big fan....

    AJ

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:55 PM  

  • If I had listened to Curry to begin with, I'd stop. But I didn't for utter lack of interest.

    Viva la Revolution!

    :)

    By Anonymous Lora, at 7:24 AM  

  • I'm afraid with Adam at the helm, this ship is heading in the direction of a commercial radio station, once you get big time advertisers you get control of content. I will continue to do my own thing.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:05 AM  

  • nice thread jason - love the concept of amp...

    i think adam still has a passion for podcasting, i think he's just lost his way...

    to me, ron just seems like a cling-on, the butt kind - not the the star-trek kind...

    he road along w/ adam on think-new-ideas - and sees an oppt to do it again w/ adam on podcasting...

    ron clearly appears to be in it purely for the $$$, and he probably has a mentoring type of relationship w/ adam, thus is coaching him away from his original intention, out of his own ignorance...

    adam has his faults, witness his soundseeing of the waldorf, but i think ron is the real negative influence here...

    unfortunately, a sweet couple like dawn and drew might be dragged into this too :(

    rock on w/ amp!!!

    By Blogger glemak, at 11:54 AM  

  • unfortunately, a sweet couple like dawn and drew might be dragged into this too :(

    'Durex.com' Dawn & Drew?

    If you don't want to take part in Adam's podcasting monetization, don't. This isn't radio - they're not dominating the spectrum.

    There will always be an audience for independent material such as your own. If you're afraid that something like Podshow could drown out your voice, I'm happy to say that you're wrong.

    By Blogger flashman, at 5:31 PM  

  • As for 'flat out ignoring the existence of AMP', what's your take on the inclusion of Accident Hash on Podshow?

    By Blogger flashman, at 6:03 PM  

  • I'm with you Jason too. I listen to DSC and Curry & Bloom are just in it for money now. Curry may love podcasting, but since I started listening to podcasting, I subscribed to his podshow and every show is about business. As soon as the industry sees how to make money and regulate podcasts, I am afraid that free podcasts will be a thing of the past. I hope I'm wrong. You are doing a great thing with AMP and unity Jason. Oh ya, Rich was funny in show #25! Haha.

    By Anonymous jon from vancouver, at 1:13 PM  

  • Hey Jason, i'm sure you know my feelings about this whole thing but i had a thought. Well two...
    1) How is Accident Hash in and not IR?

    2) In order to know which songs are "hot" i think we need more listener participation. You and i have a good idea of what people would want to hear (it seems, since our audiences continue to grow), but we have no way to know what they liked. I'm not saying insert something into the podcast to track which songs are played over and over.

    I'm saying we need the listeners to participate - to tell us what they really like.

    I really think that the listeners could help make or break this experience. Obviously we need them to listen but we also need more feedback other than 1 "good job, i enjoy it" e-mail for every 80 people or so.

    Just my two cents. =)

    By Blogger Brian, at 6:21 AM  

  • Jason,

    I have been trying to promote a "real" top 10 countdown of the songs being played on podcasts with the PMC Top 10 Countdown podcast and I am having trouble getting stats from places like AMP, Indie911, etc. We need to work together if we are going to get "real" indie music out there. Help me out by getting me some stats - shoot me an email cdoelle AT gmail.com and lets get AMP represented.

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